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to this crisis. we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got ensigned into law. there's no success yet there. >> boehner should move it tomorrow. he should just do that. >> jonathan? >> listen, the president campaigned on a three to one spending reduction and we're not see anything spending here. democrats controlled two-thirds of the chips. >> joy ann, why is this all about taxes? >> one reelection and the -- it doesn't do that much spending. >> it's been all about taxes. >> all about raising taxes. >> there's this obsession with raising taxes. >> it was to go after school lunches and elderly care, health care for poor kids and increased spending. >> no, no, no, they want entitlement reform, joy ann. why this obsession with cutting old people's medicare? >> it's not an obsession about cutting benefits to the elderly, joy ann. it's about reforming medicare over time so at some point in the future we don't tell an 80-year-old you know what? you're not going get the medicare cha you thought you would have. this is about not hurting the elderly. >> the republican solution is to hand 80-ye
. >>> pass new gun laws or set up more armed protections at our schools and public places? that seems to be one of the big debates in america this evening. let's bring back our panel, and we welcome nan hayworth. let's start with the nra they want armed guards in the schools. what's your take? >> well, larry, this is -- we are still reeling from a hideous event. so there are going to be a lot of ideas that from every segment of our society that people are going to have. i think your point is very well taken about the value of faith. whatever someone's faith may be, and family-based faith, as well. because if we can as a culture be mindful that there are -- there are people and there are interests and there's a society outside our own heads. i think the video games play into that because people have become young people and these are young men who do these. they're deeply disturbed, but there is a cultural milieu that contributes, i think, to that sense that somehow they feel they can go out and be destructive, by whatever means. and as we know -- >> katie, a cultural milieu, an interes
in this situation? >> well, this year i'm transferring the majority of my ranch, as long as we're under the tax laws that we have in the next few days, majority of my ranch will go to my sons, and i'm basically semi-retired, shall we say. >> what -- what is happening, bob, is more and more family-owned ranches, the family is having to sell the farm or the ranch because they can't afford the taxes, and the value of those farms and ranches has gone up over the time because of the tremendous interest in farmland these days, right? >> well, most of it in our area has been bought up by outside money for recreation purposes. we live in a very scenic area. it's not all that conducive sometimes to agriculture because we only get about 14 inches of rain, but we have beautiful trout streams and wildlife, and there's been a lot of influx of people with deep pockets buying ranches in montana, and the average price in our area has gone for over 2,000 an acre which cows can't pay for so trying to keep it in the family -- >> so an unintended consequence of raising the tax and lowering the threshold is exactly that
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